Thread: Work full-time; which bar exam course should I take for Texas Bar Exam?

  1.   Work full-time; which bar exam course should I take for Texas Bar Exam? #1
    I work full time during the day and finish work at around 6pm. What should I do to pass the Feb 2008 TX bar exam?

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  2.   Re: Work full-time; which bar exam course should I take for Texas Bar Exam? #2
    If you are a repeat taker, I would quit my job. Sorry for the reality check, but I am just trying to be honest.

  3.   Re: Work full-time; which bar exam course should I take for Texas Bar Exam? #3
    I think you should try Barbri or Micromash, or even a particular tutor that would be available at your free time.
    I am going to paste this answer that I really liked from another forum, I hope it helps:

    Hello,

    I've been a lurker in this group since July. I am a first-time taker
    who passed in July. I've seen a number of requests for people who
    passed to state what they did. My approach was quite unorthodox, so I
    am volunteering it, in the remote chance that it might be useful to
    someone - particularly anyone who might need or choose to work full
    time when studying for the bar.

    I chose to work full-time while studying for the bar until after July
    4th, so my full-time studying was limited to three weeks. Here is a
    summary of what I did and did not do.

    Overall:
    - Took Barbri
    - Did not take PMBR or any other supplemental course
    - Did not use any other supplemental books, CDs, or other resources
    - Did use Barbri's Study Smart software

    June:

    I did:

    - Attend all of Barbri's subject specific classes. I attended Barbri
    from 6-10 PM at the end of a long day. Most of my classmates had been
    studying all day. I realized that the ONLY way to compensate for the
    huge advantage that they had was to be "completely on" during every
    minute I was in bar class. I had to focus completely on the lectures
    and retaining as many of the "key points" that the lecturers discussed
    as I could. I tried "memorize as you go" - to see how much I could
    internalize right as I heard it. I noticed that many of my classmates
    would bring Ethernet cables and surf the web during class; this was
    off-limits for me.
    - Go over my notes after each class in detail.
    - Go through and annotate the CMR in detail for each of the MBE
    subjects, except Sales (which I felt was too detailed for bar purposes)
    - Focus on MBE questions. I did all of the beginning and virtually all
    of the intermediate MBE questions that Barbri provided, as well as the
    drills. Because I was working full time at a law firm, I downloaded
    the Study Smart software onto my work computer (with permission), so
    that I could do MBE questions as I ate breakfast or lunch or if on
    hold during a conference call. Still, I did only a relatively
    manageable number of MBEs; I'd estimate 800-1000 total.

    I did not:
    - Look at the Barbri long outlines at all
    - Follow the paced program after Day 1. It was overwhelming and
    entirely undoable for someone who has 45-50 hours of the week blocked
    off for work. Once I realized that there was no way that I could
    follow that, and decided to focus on what I COULD do, I relaxed
    considerably.
    - Write a single essay in the month of June, except for Barbri graded
    essays (in total, I submitted four out of seven graded essays and the
    graded performance test)
    - Attend Barbri's essay workshops after the second, or performance
    test workshops after the first. The essay workshops were doing little
    besides forcing me to practice essays (which I wasn't ready to do),
    and the performance test workshops... were doing little (sorry,
    Honigsberg). For me, that was "premium time" - I used the time when I
    was not in class to study with double the intensity. I even chose to
    sit right outside where the class was taking place, to motivate me to
    study.

    At the end of the month, I had received three or four essays back from
    Barbri that said "Fail." My work was cut out for me in July. However,
    I received a "High Pass" on the graded performance test and a 163 raw
    on the practice MBE. At that point, I essentially tabled my study for
    the MBE. To say I "tabled" my study for the performance tests would be
    too strong a term, as I never really began it.

    July:

    I did:
    - Go to the remaining Barbri subject specific lectures
    - Between July 1-10, I focused on compiling outlines of each subject
    on the Bar Exam. I used two sources: CMR and my notes from class.
    - Take two hours per day (between 10-12 PM, when I could no longer
    focus on essays) to pull up my StudySmart software and review MBE
    questions, to stay fresh.
    - Study 13-15 hours per day after July 4th. I would arrive at the
    library between 8-9 AM, having stopped on my way to buy both breakfast
    and lunch. I ate lunch in the library. Around 3 PM, I would leave for
    my first break - Jamba Juice. I normally called friends or family
    around then for a quick fifteen minute check in with the real world. I
    then returned to the library. Between 5 and 9 PM, I would come to the
    high point of the day - I would drive to my gym, which was five
    minutes away from the library, for a fifteen minute rendezvous with
    the eucalyptus steam room. (This really did become key to sanity and
    relaxation by the week before the bar.) I'd shower, grab dinner, drive
    back to the library, eat there, and remain there until they expelled
    us at midnight.
    - Around July 10, I opened my Barbri essay book for the first time.
    (Disclaimer: If I had failed the bar, obviously this would have been
    why. The only people to whom I would recommend waiting this long to
    start practicing essays are those who (a) are working full time until
    July and (b) know that they are weaker in multiple choice than in
    essays (thus meriting the earlier focus on MBEs).) I knew from having
    "failed" four Barbri essays that my writing was not in the correct format.

    I quickly realized that I had had some systemic (mostly IRAC related)
    formatting problems that were causing me to have "failed" those early
    essays. More importantly, I realized that there were certain types of
    statements that Barbri was recommending that we include in certain
    types of essays. (A random example: see Barbri's recommendations for
    addressing the issues of hearsay and relevance in evidence essays.)
    So, what I wanted to do was to see how Barbri recommended that we
    address as many different types of situations as possible.

    I began working subject by subject as follows. I would take my
    just-prepared subject outline (13-17 typed single-spaced pages each)
    and condense it twice - first, into a 5-7 page "intermediate" outline
    which removed all the fluff while reminding me of the essential
    details. The second condensation was into a 3-5 page "skeleton"
    outline - not quite a checklist, but close. (Note: if anyone wants to
    see how these outlines looked, I could probably email you a couple.)
    This process took 2-3 hours per subject. Then, with the subject fresh
    in my mind, I did "timed issue spotting" with two or three practice
    essays. What I mean by this is, I gave myself 15-20 minutes (the same
    as I ultimately gave myself on the bar) to outline all of the issues
    in a format that I could use to write an essay. Once I had done enough
    "timed issue spotting" to be seeing most of the issues, I wrote out a
    single timed essay in one hour. I then moved on to "issue spot"
    (untimed) 1-2 more essays as time permitted.

    After doing this for the first four subjects that I tackled, I
    realized that the timed essays (in which I actually took an hour to
    write out the whole thing) were taking too much time. I also realized
    that by this point, my essays were looking quite similar to Barbri's
    sample answers in structure (obviously, without the same ridiculous
    amount of detail as they include.) So, I did something that every test
    prep place counsels you not to do - having written a grand total of
    eight essays (four "failing" ones for Barbri and four during my
    private preparation) ...I stopped writing out essays for the California
    bar. Instead, I focused on "timed issue spotting" - I could issue spot
    three essays in the time it took me to write out one fully.

    Again, a disclaimer: if I had failed the bar, I would have naturally
    suspected my decision not to write out more practice essays. And, of
    course, I don't know whether I passed by one point or two hundred; it
    could be that this strategy actually jeopardized my ability to pass,
    and I don't know it. Caveat emptor, of course, especially if you are
    less than confident in your own writing ability.

    What I realized, though, is that I had not had the same time as my
    Barbri peers in June to become truly familiar with the subject matter,
    thanks to my working full time. Those eight essays were all it took
    for me to be confident that I could come up with correctly structured
    essays on the bar exam. What I was not confident about, though, was my
    familiar with different types of essays (by subject matter), and it
    was most important to me that I see (e.g.) how Barbri recommended
    handling a First Amendment question, an equal protection question, a
    Commerce Clause question, standing and political question issues,
    etc., than to have the experience of writing any of those questions
    out all the way. So, I sprinted my way through as much of the essay
    book as I possibly could in the second two weeks of July. And then it
    was D-day.

    I did not:
    - Go to any more Barbri essay or performance test workshops
    - Go to Barbri's practice test (essay/PT) day
    - Open the Barbri PT book (or, more accurately, I opened it, glanced
    at the first test for half an hour without actually doing it, and then
    closed it again.)
    - Look at the NCBE's sample MBE questions
    - Look at Calbar's sample released questions and answers. (Given more
    time, I would have done this, but with such limited time, I felt that
    I was getting more out of Barbri's unrealistically complete answers
    than I would from student answers written under time constraints. )

    By July 25, I had studied (both in terms of number of hours and in
    terms of types of studying done) far less than everyone else I knew. I
    was convinced that regardless of what I knew, I was destined to fail
    simply for reduced effort put in. (I think it is very easy to fall
    into the trap of figuring out who "deserves" to pass or fail. Indeed,
    I would bet that at least one person reading this is shaking their
    head and thinking that I "should" have failed, given how relatively
    little I did, and they "deserved" to pass because they put in so much
    more effort. I think it is critical to get yourself out of that
    mindset, whether you believe you "deserve" not to pass because you
    didn't try enough, or "deserved" to pass (but didn't) because of all
    the work you put in. This is a pass-fail licensing exam administered
    to almost 9000 people at a single sitting. The only thing that matters
    is how you can hold yourself out to the bar examiners for three days.
    Everything that comes before is irrelevant except to the extent that
    it helps you to do that. The bar examiners don't care how much you
    studied or how much you know apart from what they are asking you. And
    so, neither should anyone else's focus be on how they did too much and
    didn't pass despite "deserving" it, or didn't do enough to "merit" a
    pass and yet made it.)

    The Exam
    I did:
    - Come up with a mental strategy to get myself through the first day.
    I was so hung up on not "deserving" to pass that I was convinced that
    I would fail, going into the test. Still, since I intended to take it,
    I wanted to find a way to calm down and make myself confident. I
    elected the following. I informed everyone I was in touch with -
    family, friends, people at work - that I didn't think I could pass
    July, and that I was nonetheless going to sit for the exam as a
    "diagnostic" test for February. Why do this? I wanted to reduce the
    pressure on me from well-meaning people who neither understood the bar
    exam or my situation, as someone who had only had three weeks of full
    time study. In July, I had felt more nervous about their expectations
    than anything else about the test, so I wanted to get rid of that.

    With the weight of their expectations reduced (but not removed), I
    focused inward. Secretly, I thought I had a reasonable chance at
    passing July. But, I knew that the most important thing would be to
    hold it absolutely together on Tuesday morning. And so, I used a
    rather weird strategy to stay calm as I sat in the testing center
    Tuesday morning - I looked around at the hundreds of people around me
    and felt superior to them. I told myself, "These people are so nervous
    because they all have to pass this exam right now. I am just here as a
    diagnostic, to see where my weak spots are for February. So really, I
    am the only person in this entire building who doesn't have any reason
    to be nervous right now." Call it legal fiction (especially since most
    of my brain was intently focused on passing in July.) But it kept me
    calm and cool enough to go into the Tuesday morning session. This was
    especially important because at my location, we were delayed for more
    than an hour in beginning the exam (until around 10:20 AM). As we sat
    there waiting to begin for so long, it was critical to have something,
    anything, to dissipate the stress.

    The moment that we were told, "You may begin," I went after that exam
    with everything I had. All legal fictions were gone. I was going to
    pass that darn exam, and I was going to pass it in July. All
    nervousness was gone, and the entire world disappeared around me. I
    did not leave a single thing blank or unaddressed. If I knew there was
    an issue but did not know the rule, I invented the rule on the spot
    (at one point, I told the bar examiners that the standard for First
    Amendment constitutional review was a "hybrid intermediate scrutiny
    standard" (which I pulled from thin air, but using reasonably credible
    words; still have no idea what I was trying to get at with "hybrid").
    At another point, I invented the elements of dependent relative
    revocation.) Much like "no child left behind," I made sure that there
    was "no fact left behind" on the essays and PTs - if they gave it to
    us, I figured out how to incorporate it into my answer.

    I similarly went after the MBE. If I didn't know the answer, I filled
    in my best guess, circled the question, and returned to it. I did not
    leave a single question unanswered, and there was no question about
    which I was uncertain that I did not consider twice.

    Although the performance tests were the easiest part, they were the
    part for which I was least prepared. I therefore went after them with
    the greatest intensity, trying to spot every angle the examiners might
    have been looking for. (Note: I saw the discussion here some months
    ago about "phantom PR issues" and the PTs. I was not aware we were
    supposed to look for PR issues on PTs, possibly because I skipped
    three of the PT workshops. So, I did not address those, FWIW.)

    ...and then, it was all over, and hundreds of us were clapping and
    cheering and celebrating as the proctors collected our materials on
    July 27th. In the months of waiting, the main thing that concerned me
    was, again, how little I had done relative to everyone I knew.

    - Others may prefer to avoid people while taking the bar exam, but I
    found it immensely helpful to make plans to reconnect with a couple of
    my friends during lunch and at the end of the day. I felt less alone -
    as though I was going through the devilish process with the same
    people with whom I had tackled law school. For me, it was a reassuring
    thought. I would recommend it. My one suggestion is - decide with your
    friends beforehand whether or not you want to discuss the exam. We
    ultimately decided to discuss it, and it was very helpful to us.
    Although we each realized that we missed a few small things, we also
    realized that we were doing well enough that it bolstered our
    confidence level (and we all passed). It is easy to see how those
    discussions could have gone differently. :) If you don't want to
    discuss the exam during lunch breaks, be sure to make that very clear
    to your friends beforehand.

    Now that the full passlist is out, I see that one of my friends is not
    on it. She attended every Barbri class, did every assignment in the
    paced program, submitted all graded assignments, did PMBR, did most of
    the PMBR questions, etc. She was the first name I checked for this
    morning, because I was more certain that she passed than anyone else.
    I actually searched for her name about ten times, in disbelief, before
    accepting that she was not on it (and even now, I feel that it *must*
    have been an administrative oversight.) Assuming that it was not,
    though...the difference between her situation and mine underscores the
    reality that the quantity of your preparation may have little to do
    with how those three days in July go. Figure out what MBE strategy
    works for you, learn how to structure your essays, and do enough
    practice that you will not be at a loss during the exam. But if you do
    find yourself at a loss during the exam, MAKE UP anything that you do
    not know. Invent the law that you do not know as you go. You have
    nothing to lose...and a law license to gain. :)

    Best of luck!

  4.   Re: Work full-time; which bar exam course should I take for Texas Bar Exam? #4
    Anonymous
    Quote Originally Posted by norton11 View Post
    If you are a repeat taker, I would quit my job. Sorry for the reality check, but I am just trying to be honest.
    I am working full time & going to law school (taking 18 hours so I can graduate early). I have a 3.6 GPA. Just because Norton11 can't handle work and studying doesn't mean you can't. It's possible - you just have to want it & not mess around. It doesn't matter which bar prep course you take. If you use your time well, you'll be fine.

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